strategist and former white house aide to president george h.w. bush. it's great to see both of you today, and, karen, i want to start with you on this because ultimately when we look at who the nra is trying to convince on this message, it is essentially speaking to republicans in congress saying hold your ground. we don't need to do anything on this because it looks as if there was ground already giving way with people like joe manchin coming out and saying this is something that we need to discuss, at least make a logical track at looking at what the problem is. >> right. i think what was happening was that people were recognizing that this is a bigger, smor systemic problem than where i think the republicans are trying to go in their talking points by just focussing on the mental health aspect and just focussing on the school safety aspect. both are things that we should look at, but i can tell you, i worked in new york city public schools, and there are instances where they do have police officers in the schools. we know that at columbine there was an armed police officer in the scho
